The Tail Risk Tipping Point
Click BetaMarch 29, 202501:14:27

The Tail Risk Tipping Point

Join Matt Zeigler, Jason Buck, and Dave Nadig in this unfiltered and dynamic episode of Click Beta from Excess Returns. Feeling "stupid and exhausted" from their daily grind in markets and business, the trio ditches the polished analysis for a raw, behind-the-scenes rant session. With a mix of optimism, pessimism, and plenty of tangents, they dive into pre-agreed and surprise topics—no Google allowed—offering a blend of humor, skepticism, and unscripted insights. From AI breakthroughs to geopolitical powder kegs, this episode is a rollercoaster of ideas, seasoned with their signature banter and a touch of nihilism.

**Main Topics Covered:**
- **AI’s Right and Left Tails:** The hosts explore AI’s potential for transformative breakthroughs (like rewriting Social Security’s COBOL code) versus its risks, including trust erosion and overhyped promises.

- **Tariffs and Economic Policy:** They debate the optimistic case for tariffs reshaping U.S. manufacturing and tax policy (e.g., a VAT system) against the reality of roboticization and political chaos.

- **Geopolitical Tensions:** From the U.S. as a fading global bully to speculative left-tail events like Arctic shipping disputes or an accidental spark in Africa, they ponder the end of Pax Americana.

- **Community and Legacy:** The conversation shifts to pro-social thinking—how AI might free up time for community, contrasted with musings on legacy, ancestry, and whether it even matters.

- **Surprise Topics:**
- *Canadian Animosity Toward the U.S.:* Is Canada’s current patriotism a fleeting protest or a lasting shift?

- *Broadening Perspectives:* Matt seeks ways to inspire long-term, pro-social thinking in everyday life.

- *D.C. Real Estate and Political Scapegoats:* Jason speculates on buying the dip in D.C. housing and Elon Musk as Trump’s potential fall guy.

No investment advice here—just three market-weary friends riffing on the world as they see it. Like, subscribe, and share if you enjoyed the chaos!

0:00 - Intro and topic setup: exploring what could go wonderfully right and disastrously wrong
1:54 - Right tail potential of AI breakthroughs in the next 24 months
4:10 - Could AI rewrite Social Security's 10 million lines of COBOL code in 6 months?
7:12 - How AI could drive people back to in-person connections and "finding your tribe"
11:02 - Trust issues with AI and generative content
13:13 - The interesting timing of AI and blockchain technology coinciding
14:22 - Institutional decay and the shift to person-to-person trust relationships
15:37 - MAG Seven dominance vs international market rebalancing
17:05 - The bull argument sounds airtight at the top, the bear argument at the bottom
18:15 - Is this a bear market or just a reset of over-dominant US allocation?
22:45 - "A million flowers blooming" - how tariffs and reshoring could reshape business
25:15 - Will American manufacturing revival be mostly roboticized?
27:25 - The case for a coherent, consistent tariff policy
29:15 - Could failed tariffs lead to a VAT conversation in America?
35:45 - Left tail risks: What happens when nobody wants to hang out with the US anymore?
37:15 - Has weaponizing SWIFT permanently changed global trust?
41:22 - Jason: "I prepare, don't predict" - the difference between Grey Swans and Black Swans
43:15 - The next global conflict trigger probably won't come from where we expect
48:46 - From right/left tails to the group's surprise topics
49:10 - Will Canada's current animosity toward the US have staying power?
55:23 - Matt's question: What does it take to be a good ancestor?
57:02 - Dave: "Outcome orientation" - asking why you're doing what you're doing
58:15 - Jason: "Can you name your grandparents' middle names?" - the limits of legacy
1:03:15 - The genetics of generational knowledge and obligation
1:06:22 - If nothing matters, why not be a gentleman?
1:07:38 - Jason's final topic: DC real estate prices and Trump's potential "fall guy" strategy
1:13:46 - Outro