The Great Moderation is Over. The Great Convergence is Here | Luca Paolini on What Comes Next
Excess ReturnsJuly 08, 202500:58:11

The Great Moderation is Over. The Great Convergence is Here | Luca Paolini on What Comes Next

In this episode of Excess Returns, we sit down with Luca Paolini, Chief Strategist at Pictet Asset Management, to unpack the firm’s powerful 2025 Secular Outlook: The Great Convergence. Paolini walks us through a global macro regime shift — from U.S. exceptionalism to a world of economic and market convergence. We discuss the implications for equities, bonds, private assets, AI, inflation, and more. Luca also outlines why now may be the time to increase bond exposure, how investors should think about regional diversification, and what a world of “low returns, high concentration, and low dispersion” means for portfolio construction.

Topics Covered:

What defines “The Great Convergence” and how it compares to past regimes

Why debt and tariffs could suppress global growth

The end of U.S. exceptionalism and its implications for valuations and the dollar

Paolini’s case for reallocating toward bonds and credit

The limitations of AI as a productivity booster

How private assets still hold appeal — with nuance

Why mid-caps and equal-weight strategies may be underrated

Gold, crypto, and the evolution of diversified portfolios

The importance of currency risk in global investing

Luca’s most contrarian belief: shift into bonds now

Timestamps:
00:00 – The only thing that matters: U.S. growth
01:06 – Welcome and intro to Pictet's 2025 secular outlook
02:44 – What defines “The Great Convergence”
05:22 – Debt and tariffs: why growth is under pressure
10:15 – U.S. vs Europe: Is the U.S. still the best house in a bad neighborhood?
12:36 – Takeaways from global growth and inflation trends
14:26 – The Fed, rates, and why now isn’t the time to cut
16:42 – The decline of U.S. exceptionalism
23:09 – The twin deficits and U.S. sustainability
25:19 – Will tech leadership broaden beyond the U.S.?
27:41 – Can AI offset macro headwinds?
29:29 – Why income-generating assets are back
33:27 – Credit is the standout fixed income opportunity
34:53 – Emerging market debt and valuation tailwinds
36:21 – The enduring case for private assets
40:26 – Market concentration and the “winner-take-all” effect
43:05 – Will AI increase or decrease concentration?
44:36 – Mid-caps, equal weight, and regional rebalancing
46:18 – Five-year return forecasts and the dollar’s impact
50:19 – Building a diversified portfolio beyond 60/40
53:11 – Gold and crypto in asset allocation
55:08 – Tokenization: the next big thing in finance
56:29 – Non-consensus view: shift into bonds
57:26 – The most important investing habit